P/O R. A. (Ron) Neil RNZAF

Not many people visit this blog.

But I don’t mind…

Someday, someone will write a comment about his grandfather who served in the RAF.

Remember P/O R. A. (Ron) Neil.

George Stewart who was 19 years-old in 1944 did.

George Stewart on nose

George Stewart

I sent George this little montage  I made with Paul Beaudet’s pictures shared by his daughter Diane…

Here’s George Stewart reply…

Indeed you do have Al’s pilot P/O Ron Neil.

Now we are getting somewhere to find P/O Ron Neil’s relatives.

Pilot Officer Neil was with the RNZAF.

Now we have identified three of the four airmen on this picture.

Berry, unknown, Beaudet and Neil…

Do you know the fourth one?

George does…


20 thoughts on “P/O R. A. (Ron) Neil RNZAF

  1. Hi,
    my Uncle Alastair Lawson was a pilot with 23 Sqn in Malta (OC B Flight). He had a Kiwi Navigator F/O Roberston who is still alive AFIK and living in Auckland. Unfortunately my uncle’s eyesight has gone so I cannot show him the photos.

    Do you have any other photos of 23 Sqn personel?


    Al Bowie

    Sydney Australia

  2. There is a mention here about a pilot whose name is Alec Lawson…

    Source: http://www.fourfax.co.uk/history/sqn-personalities-c1949


    Johnny Burton: Went to Test Pilots’ School and also to APS at Leconfield.

    Chris Capper: Went to Test Pilots’ School and eventually joined de Havilland – I believe he took over John Derry’s work after the crash.

    ‘Rox’ Roxberry: My pilot for the second two years on the Squadron. Also went to Leconfield and Farnborough and spent a year with the Yanks at Edwards base.

    Les de Garis: Also went to Leconfield and each time the weather was unfit for flying we all heard Les’s lecture ‘T.S.C.S. x SIN Angle Off’ again – and again – and again.

    Sax Saxby: One of the best pilots on the Squadron, but unfortunately in those days inhibited by the PII ranking.

    Monty Mountford: Overcame the PII syndrome and became a Groupie or something.

    ‘Chips’ Hunter: Excellent swimmer and diver. A bit hair-raising to fly with – later killed in an air crash.

    Iain Dick: Good footballer.

    Alec Lawson: Never took a parachute and always sat on a seat cushion made from the folded engine covers.

    Dave Spencer: We did OTUs on Canada and England together and he was my pilot for three years until grounded with high tone deafness. Like Jimmy Gill he joined the Equipment Branch.

    ‘Ferdie’ Fortune: Hit Rox’s tailplane during formation. We then discovered he was half blind in one eye. ?

    Archer: Alec Lawson fell out with him one night in the Mess and chased him back to his room (the last block on the left when looking with your back to the Mess at Gutersloh). Archer hid round the corner in his room and locked the door. When Alec couldn’t get in, he fetched his 12 bore and blasted a hole in the door. Luckily Archer was out of the way, but his raincoat was hanging on the door!

    ‘Willie’ Williams: Spent all his time reading Bradshaw and could tell you the time of almost every train in the UK and all the connections.

    Jock Marshall: Received his Croix de Guerre and legion of Honour through the normal post. We celebrated on the beach at Sylt with crates of Guiness left in the edge of the sea to cool.

    Jackie Butt.

    ‘Doc’ Orrell. ‘

    Bunny’ Warren.

    • Many Thanks Pierre, that is my uncle in the photo.

      I will forward this on to my mother and Uncle.

      Incidently Alex/Alastair is still alive and living in London.
      I’ll have my Uncle convey the contents of this webpage.
      Many Thanks

      • I had an article for tomorrow about an airman Alec Lawson.
        Very little info on a pilot with that name during the war or post-war period.
        Interesting information.
        Now we will have more.

      • Hi,

        Your uncle should have his logbook.
        This is the most precious document.
        Everything about him is there.
        Eugene Gagnon’s sister when he died in 1947 threw it away with his medals.
        True story.

        Can you scan his logbook pages and share like Greg Bell did last year?
        This is the result.
        A blog about a RCAF Spitfire Squadron.

        It all started… well everything is there on the blog. I am still pinching myself.


        Feel free to do whatever you want.
        Look at what Vicki has found about Hector Goldie, her father-in-law, and of course what her husband and her son George “Hector” Goldie have found.

        I know they are pinching themselves.

        Best regards


      • Hi Pierre, I actually have both of his Log Books in my possession 39-49 (?) as Alastair gave them to me about ten years ago . I have scans of most of the 23 and 605 Sqn service. I’ll try and post up a few pages

    • Thanks Pierre, I have received some more information via my Aunt from Alastair/Alec and he confirmed the story and added some details:
      He couldn’t remember what had caused the argument but he remembered being very angry.

      A bit of info from him : he actually shot the lock off to get to the guy and then, of course, the door had to be replaced! This was no problem in Germany as you just lifted the door off its hinges and as they were all interchangeable they replaced it with a toilet door -for a laugh they put the lockless door on the “ladies”.

      I will try and forward the Log Book Scans for 23 and 605/4 Sqn tonight (work permitting).

      I’ll have look through them to see if any of the other names matchup.


      • Take all the time you need with the scans.

        These will be great as we piece together 23 Squadron history.
        I know Peter will be ecstatic about this as all my readers.

        Thanks again for sharing as Vicki did and Paul Beaudet’s daughter.

        Very best regards.


      • Hi Pierre, I have scans of the 23 Sqn Logbook entries and 605 Sqn ones as well, how can I get these to you?

  3. 605 Squadron


    Not much on a Polish pilot who flew with that squadron.

    This also…

    From the RAF website.

    “No 605 Squadron was formed on 5 October 1926 at Castle Bromwich as a day bomber unit of the Auxiliary Air Force, recruiting in the Birmingham area. Initially equipped with DH9As it received Wapitis in April 1930 and Harts in October 1934. The latter were replaced by Hinds in August 1936 and on 1 January 1939 No 605 was redesignated a fighter squadron and re-equipped with Gladiators. Hurricanes began to arrive a few weeks before the outbreak of World War Two and the squadron took up its war station at Tangmere with a mixture of six Hurricanes and ten Gladiators, completing re-equipment during October. In February 1940 the squadron moved to Scotland, but returned south in May to fly patrols over northern France for a week before moving back to Drem. It moved south again in September for the closing stages of the Battle of Britain and in December began escorting bombers over northern France. At the end of March 1941, it moved to the Midlands for day and night defensive patrols and in October was posted overseas. It reached Singapore in January 1942, too late to affect the campaign, and was evacuated to Sumatra on arrival in the area, moving later to Java. There it became caught up in the Japanese invasion and after operating a collection of surviving aircraft, was either evacuated in small groups or captured by the Japanese by early March.

    A detachment of Hurricanes at Hal Far, Malta, began operating on 10 January 1942, and was presumably part of No.605’s air echelon since this number was used on its official reports, which end on 27 February 1942. The squadron reformed on 7 June 1942 at Ford as an intruder unit, receiving Bostons which began operations on 14 July over enemy airfields in France. In February 1943 it began to receive Mosquitoes, which flew on intruder raids for the rest of the war. In March 1945, No.605 moved to Belgium to reduce transit time to Germany and late in April arrived in the Netherlands where it was renumbered No.4 Squadron on 31 August 1945.

    No.605 reformed as an Auxiliary Air Force squadron at Honiley on 10 May 1946, but recruiting, begun in November, was slow and it was not until April 1947 that it received its first operational Mosquito night fighter. A policy change altered the squadron’s role to that of a day fighter unit and in July it began to receive Vampires. These it flew until disbanded on 10 March 1957. “

  4. I strongly suspect Ron Neil is my great uncle Ronald Arthur Neil (my grandfathers brother)! I only just heard he flew Mosquitos and then stumbled across this amazing resource. I’m getting family members to look at the photos to confirm. :))

  5. Reblogged this on 23 Squadron RAF and commented:

    This is the post, written on August 30th, 2010, where Neil’s grandnephew wrote his comment on June 13th, 2014.
    Hard to make up such a story isn’t?

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