Remembering Drummond Edward Chapman

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Lost on November 7, 1941.

Found here…

http://www.veterans.gc.ca/eng/remembrance/memorials/canadian-virtual-war-memorial/detail/1084273

In memory of
Flight Sergeant
Drummond Edward Chapman
November 7, 1941

Military Service:
Service Number:
R/57927
Force:
Air Force
Unit:
Royal Canadian Air Force
Division: 23 Sqdn.

Additional Information:
Son of Clarrisha Isabel Chapman of Brandon, Manitoba.

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Found here…

http://rcafcampborden.blogspot.ca/2013/01/the-times-of-malta-june-23-2011-born.html

September 18 – December 12, 1940
Previously wings ceremony was held in the morning, but under new regulations no training time was to be lost, and future presentations were made in the evening.

Group Captain Roy S. Grandy presented wings and addressed the graduates. He described Clayton Hopton as a “steady young man and a good pilot.”

+(J/3252) Walter Bruce Beat; +(J/3253) Reg White – 418 Sqn., Noranda; +(J/3254 – R/54975) Douglas Byrd Van Buskirk;+(J/3257) Vernon Foster Patterson, Moose Jaw;(J/3258) Ian Anderson March – DFC 410 Sqn., St. John’s, Newfoundland; +(J/3259) Edward Blake Thompson, Toronto; +(J/3260) James Harold Baird, Winnipeg

+(J/3512) Herbert Peter Peters – 414 Sqn. Dieppe DFC, KIA 1943, Edmonton; (J/3515) John Arthur Amos – 414 Sqn. Dieppe; +(J/3519) Joseph Jean Paul Sabourin – DFC 145 Sqn., St. Isidore de Prescott, Ontario

E.J. Elward, Toronto, +William Gordon Walker, Toronto; E.L. Archer; Gordon Wonnacott – 414 Sqn., Edmonton; R.P. Opie, Victoria; E.C. Cox, Montreal; L.W. Humphrey, Sarnia; +William James Philip Gosling, Edmonton; D.V. Wright, Trenton; R.D. Miller, Regina; +Theodore Scribner Bates, Guelph; Jake Robert Woolgar, Edmonton; A.L. Hutchinson, Regina; +(R/57927) Drummond Edward Chapman – 23 Sqn., Vancouver; Alex Wilson, London; Ronald Sydney Cox, Winnipeg; R. Christison, Regina; James Preston – 403 Sqn., St. Catharines; (J/26967) Stanley P. Coolican, Regina; E.L. McCarthy, Moncton; R. Young, Peterborough; E.J. Magwood, Aurthur Burtis McKiel – AFC, Winnipeg; B.Vaughan Player, Ottawa; J. McDiarmid, Winnipeg; G.F. Johnson, Moncton; Andrew Wesley Lockhart (AFC, DFC), Moncton; G.C. Ennis, Biggar, Sask.; Thomas Charles Cooke – DFC 162 Sqn. U-boat attack, AFC), Dauphin, MB; H.R. Morris, Regina

Newfoundland: Ian Anderson March, (J/10431) Gerald (Ged) Marmaduke Winter and Robert Kitchener Hayward – DSO, DFC

RAF: Michael Lloyd O’Grady Warner, London, Eng.

Posted in from:

No. 1 EFTS Malton: Sabourin

No. 3 EFTS Crumlin (Co.2): March, Cooke

No. 5 EFTS

Opie and Cox were navigation officers prior to taking a refresher course at Camp Borden. Opie became Chief Supervisor Officer at No. 2 A.O.S., Edmonton. Cox became chief navigation officer at No. 6 SFTS Dunnville

Found on a WWII forum

http://www.rafcommands.com/forum/showthread.php?10662-Spitfire-7-11-41-Eastbourne/page2http://www.rafcommands.com/forum/showthread.php?10662-Spitfire-7-11-41-Eastbourne/page2

F/Sgt Drummond Edward CHAPMAN – R/57927 (from Vancouver, B.C.), as the pilot of Havoc BD 124 and (on page 738) Sgt John Raymond SULLIVAN – R/72531 (from Vernon, P.E.I.) as the observer.
I’ve as crew member Nr. 3 F/Sgt Douglas J. PARR – 751383; all three on the Runnymede Memorial.

Globe and Mail, 1941/11/12

Royal Canadian Air Force’s 108th casualty list

MISSING AFTER AIR OPERATIONS.

Chapman, Drummond, Sergeant,
Can. R57927, missing. Mrs. E. Chapman
(mother), 65 West 20th Avenue,
Vancouver.

Sullivan, John Raymond, Sergeant,
Can, R72531, missing. Mrs. A,
Sullivan (mother), Verdun, P.E .I.

However, The Times, Tuesday, Dec 16, 1941; pg. 7; Issue 49110; col D

Lists all these 3 names on same List..

Roll of Honour

RAF

Missing Believed Killed on Active Service

Sgt D.J. Parr

RCAF

Missing Believed Killed on Active Service

Sgt D Chapman Sgt J.R. Sullivan

To be continued…

Hard to read isn’t?

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Hugh kept this letter all his life.

Dean Cahill found it among other earth shattering artifacts. I had a hard time finding who had written Hugh on December 15, 1944.

December 1944 that when Eugene Gagnon joined 23 Squadron. So this is somewhat precious because Eugene Gagnon is the reason I wrote this blog.

I don’t know if Hugh had any children.

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In my research yesterday I found Hugh Boland married Miss Tate. I don’t know her first name. What I know though is that a Doreen was much interested in Hugh.

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That telegram was sent on April 19, 1943.

Doreen was not the only one interested in Hugh as you can see with this letter from a WAFF.

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This looks like a letter from Doreen Oates a WAFF in RAF Colerne.

So Miss Tate who married Hugh can’t be Doreen.

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If you want to contact me about this, you can write a comment on use this contact form.

23 Squadron ORBs for November 1942

What about the crash of Mosquito Mk II DD797 which serial number was written in pencil?

Sometimes just one clue opens new doors in a search.

Williamson 1942 28 November ORB

This is what I found on this Website.

http://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/wiki.php?id=70923

Date: 26-NOV-1942

Time:

Type: Silhouette image of generic MOSQ model; specific model in this crash may look slightly different
de Havilland Mosquito NF.Mk.II

Owner/operator: 23 Sqn RAF
Registration: DD797
C/n / msn:

Fatalities: Fatalities: 1 / Occupants: 2
Other fatalities: 0

Airplane damage: Written off (damaged beyond repair)
Location: West Mersea Essex – United Kingdom
Phase: Take off
Nature: Military
Departure airport: RAF Bradwell Bay
Destination airport:

Narrative:
Crashed after take-off West Mersea Essex 26.11.42

Crew:
pilot ???
Sgt (1317574) Gurwyn Malcolm CRIDGE (obs) RAFVR – killed

Sources:
http://www.dehavilland.ukf.net/_DH98%20prodn%20list.txt (broken link)

The name of the pilot who was unknown is now known.

Date: 26-NOV-1942
Time:
Type: Silhouette image of generic MOSQ model; specific model in this crash may look slightly different
de Havilland Mosquito NF.Mk II
Owner/operator: 23 Sqn RAF
Registration: DD797
C/n / msn:
Fatalities: Fatalities: 1 / Occupants: 2
Other fatalities: 0
Airplane damage: Written off (damaged beyond repair)
Location: West Mersea Essex –   United Kingdom
Phase: Take off
Nature: Military
Departure airport: RAF Bradwell Bay
Destination airport:

Narrative:
Crashed after take-off West Mersea Essex 26.11.42
Crew:
pilot Sgt Duncan Stuart Hutt
navigator Sgt (1317574) Gurwyn Malcolm CRIDGE (obs) RAFVR – killed

Sources:
https://no23squadron.wordpress.com/2014/04/04/26-november-1942-redux/

 

More information here about DD797.

DD797

Serial: DD797
Build Type: F.II, Merlin 21/22 engines
Build Location: Hatfield
Contract Number: 555/C.23(a)
Contract Date: 9-2-1941
Delivery Period: Between 25-2-1942 and 15-10-1942

 

And a painting of a 23 Squadron Mosquito Mk II

Mosquito Mk II

http://www.finesthourart.com/shop/mosquito.html

Flight Lieutenant Bob Williamson of 23 Squadron – Final update

This is a copy of the ORB from 23 Squadron for November 28, 1942.

Williamson 1942 28 November ORB

This is the final update about a comment left last week.

I contacted you about my late Mother’s first husband, Flt Lt Robert (Bob) Henry Williamson, who was killed over Cognac, France, on 23 November 1942, along with his Navigator.  23 Sqn was based at RAF Bradwell Bay and I believe Bob flew his Mosquito down to Ford Aerodrome, to re-fuel, before his fatal mission.  But what was that mission and how did it end?

The only record I have from the UK Public Record Office is that his flight “did not return”, but I hope to find out more. Does your blog cover just 1944-45, or do you have contact which go as far back as 1942, who may be able to help me?

This is the original comment made in December.

Does anyone recall Flt Lt Bob Williamson, of 23 Squadron?
 
 Bob was my mother’s husband and he died on active service, on a night mission from RAF Bradwell Bay, Essex, over Cognac, France, on 28 November1942, just before 23 Squadron was posted to Malta.  Bob was piloting a 23 Sqn Mosquito and was accompanied by FO (Obs) Norman Lavers, who also died.  Both men are buried in the communal cemetery in Cruin, on the outskirts of Cognac, courtesy of the Commonwealth War Graves Commission. I would like to know more about their mission that night.
 
 My mother re-married in 1949 and I am the product of that long and happy union, though my mother could never bring herself to talk about Bob, her childhood sweetheart, to whom she had been married just a short time.
 
 Any snippets of information will be well received and thank you.

You can contact me using this form if you have information I don’t have.

 

Does anyone recall Flight Lieutenant Bob Williamson of 23 Squadron? Update

This is an update about a comment left last December.

A new comment with a little more information.

I contacted you about my late Mother’s first husband, Flt Lt Robert (Bob) Henry Williamson, who was killed over Cognac, France, on 23 November 1942, along with his Navigator.  23 Sqn was based at RAF Bradwell Bay and I believe Bob flew his Mosquito down to Ford Aerodrome, to re-fuel, before his fatal mission.  But what was that mission and how did it end?

The only record Ii have from the UK Public Record Office is that his flight “did not return”, but I hope to find out more. Does your blog cover just 1944-45, or do you have contact which go as far back as 1942, who may be able to help me?

This is the original comment made in December.

Does anyone recall Flt Lt Bob Williamson, of 23 Squadron?
 
 Bob was my mother’s husband and he died on active service, on a night mission from RAF Bradwell Bay, Essex, over Cognac, France, on 28 November1942, just before 23 Squadron was posted to Malta.  Bob was piloting a 23 Sqn Mosquito and was accompanied by FO (Obs) Norman Lavers, who also died.  Both men are buried in the communal cemetery in Cruin, on the outskirts of Cognac, courtesy of the Commonwealth War Graves Commission. I would like to know more about their mission that night.
 
 My mother re-married in 1949 and I am the product of that long and happy union, though my mother could never bring herself to talk about Bob, her childhood sweetheart, to whom she had been married just a short time.
 
 Any snippets of information will be well received and thank you.

You can contact me using this form.

 

Flight Lieutenant J.B. Harris

Flight Lieutenant JB Harris

J.B. Harris was sitting next to Hugh Boland all this time on this old picture taken on July 1945.

Boland

In 2010 this is all I had about 23 Squadron.

Then I got this from Peter Smith who got it from Tom Cushing.

July 1945 Boland

A much clearer picture.

And a much closer look at Hugh Boland’s pilot.

Harris and Boland

I wonder what Hugh was looking at?

Hove High School

Might be related to Hugh’s school days.

Excerpt

Hove’s Old Schools – Hove High School
by Judy Middleton

Published originally in Tales of the Old Hove Schools (1991) revised 2012


There seems to have been a school at 49 Clarendon Villas as soon as the building was erected in the 1880s. It is still there and just as imposing with its yellow brick and red brick dressings rising to four storeys. Above the front entrance there is a curious female torso jutting out like an old ship’s figurehead. In October 2012 the building looked somewhat forlorn as it was swathed in scaffolding and plastic sheeting while yellow leaves scudded about the steps.

Click here.

Why write about Hugh Harold Hirst?

Why write about Hugh Harold Hirst if he was not with 23 Squadron and did not own this Irvin jacket?

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Simple, Hugh Harold Hirst gave his life for his country.

He was with 240 Squadron and only a few people remember his sacrifice.

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Iverach and Hirst in L/240 a Stranraer operating out of Lough Erne in March 1941. Hirst was to be killed in May 1941 when his Catalina crashed on the flarepath , he is one of the “missing”.

Well almost everyone.

His name was found on this Website. Hugh Harold Hirst was not alone who died aboard Catalinas. It’s worth visiting the Website to learn more.

240 Squadron was flying this type of plane before converting to Catalinas.

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Hugh Harold Hirst died on a Consolidated Catalina like this one.

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Consolidated Catalina Mk II of No. 240 Squadron RAF based at Stranraer in Scotland, March 1941. Catalina Mark II, AM269 ‘BN-K’, of No 240 Squadron RAF based at Stranraer, Ayrshire, moored on Loch Ryan.

Memorial Hirst

WWII commemoration stone: Overlooking lower Lough Erne is a war grave memorial to the crew of a Catalina flying boat aircraft which crashed near here in May 1941. The inscription reads – Catalina AH536 of 240 Squadron RAF, Killadeas crashed near Gay Island 7th May 1941. Fl/Lt P.C Thomas, F/O H.H. Hirst, P/O K.B. Fuller, P/O D.W. Hockey, Sgt. W. Peebles, Sgt. J.L. Elwell, Sgt. J.S. Hesk, Sgt. H.E. Wilson, LAC H.A. Cottam, LAC L.R. Holmes.

Source: http://www.docbrown.info/docspics/irishscenes/ispage48.htm

Footnote

I wrote the person who has this Website.

He answered back…

Hello Pierre,

I am indeed very interested in your video about F/O. Hurst. The story of that crash is well documented. The reason for the crash was that the surface of Lough Erne was dead flat that morning. This made it difficult for a pilot to judge his height when landing. As a result of the crash when a flying boat was coming down in calm water speed boats were used to create an artificial wave. The same was done for planes taking off. Last year I published a book “Catalina’s and Sunderland’s on Lough Erne, Ireland in World War Two”. Giving a detailed account of the air bases on Lough Erne.

It is available from Amazon, but if you have any problem getting a copy I will send you one.

Best wishes and thanks from Joe.

F/O Hugh Harold Hirst Redux

Flying Officer Hugh Harold Hirst died in 1941 and he is not the one who owned the Irvin jacket.

7th May 1941. Catalina AH 536 of 240 Squadron crashed on Lough Erne near Gay Island.

Fl/Lt. Peter Cecil Thomas, F/O Hugh Harold Hirst, P/O Kenneth Bernard Fuller, P/O Denis William Hockey, F/Sgt. William Peebles, Sgt. Joseph Leslie Elwell, Sgt. John Sterling Hesk, Sgt. Henry Ernest Wilson, LAC Henry Atkin Cottam, LAC Leslie Roy Holmes. All RAF.

Irvin

I did not know what was an Irvin jacket before I started reading a blog about Flight Lieutenant Jenkins who is in the middle of that group of New Zealanders.

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As I wrote last time this is my favourite blog, and I am not the one writing it.

Pablo found my blog about 23 Squadron, and he asked for my help.

How could I refuse? If you have been reading this blog, you know I am always happy to lend a helping hand.

So I got searching and searching for someone whose name on an Irvin jacket was Harry Hirst.

The only one I could find was this airman…

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Iverach and Hirst in L/240 a Stranraer operating out of Lough Erne in March 1941. Hirst was to be killed in May 1941 when his Catalina crashed on the flarepath , he is one of the “missing”.

That’s Hugh Harold Hirst on the right. The other airman is Iverach a navigator.

I found the above picture on a WW II forum.

As a footnote to all this, click here for information on Iverach.

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As battles intensified in the Atlantic in spring 1941, outdated Stanraers were traded for Consolidated Catalinas to face a new German threat to British supply lines – the enormous German flagship Bismarck.  At 823 feet and crewed by more than 2,000 men, the Bismarck was the largest battleship in European waters. It was up to 240 Squadron to track her down. One evening while returning to base, Iverach spotted the British flagship HMS Hood firing its cannons in the distance. “Having gunnery practice,” the crew figured. They later learned to their horror that they had witnessed the final battle of the Hood, which had been sunk by the Bismarck with all but three hands. The next day, 240 Squadron was shadowing the Bismarck from above the clouds, helping to coordinate an ambush with the Royal Navy.  Iverach tried to snap some pictures but, “… whenever we attempted to move in, the giant ship almost blew us out of the sky, so accurate was her gunnery.”

Within days, the Bismarck was swarmed by Swordfish torpedo bombers, which scored a lucky hit on the ships rudder, fixing her in a wide turn. British battleships sunk the Bismarck on May 27, 1941. John Iverach went on to complete nearly four tours of operation before he retired from the service in 1946 and returned to ‘’Civvy Street’’ as an accountant in Winnipeg. John Iverach, a long-time museum member and volunteer, passed away in 1992.

John Iverach went on to complete nearly four tours of operation!

F/O Hugh Harold Hirst

Found on this Website…

7th May 1941. Catalina AH 536 of 240 Squadron crashed on Lough Erne near Gay Island.

Fl/Lt. Peter Cecil Thomas, F/O Hugh Harold Hirst, P/O Kenneth Bernard Fuller, P/O Denis William Hockey, F/Sgt. William Peebles, Sgt. Joseph Leslie Elwell, Sgt. John Sterling Hesk, Sgt. Henry Ernest Wilson, LAC Henry Atkin Cottam, LAC Leslie Roy Holmes. All RAF.

Flying Officer Hugh Harold Hirst died in 1941. He is not the Harry Hirst we are searching to document this Irvin jacket which is part of Pablo Dennison’s collection.

Irvin

This Irvin jacket is what led Pablo Dennison, a collector, someone who lives in New Zeland if I guess right by his e-mail address, and who knows me just a little.

I guess Pablo knows I live in Canada, and that I have a passion for aviation, history, and 23 Squadron.

But does he know me that well? Does he know that this is my favourite picture…

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and this is my favourite blog, and I am not the one writing it?

I hope Pablo reads the comments, and see what searching for information can lead us.